tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-710203542819293503.post9095495266212947702..comments2023-10-20T15:43:25.978+08:00Comments on New Malaysia: Hudud laws - PAS is always consistentThe Writerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15059125424007265156noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-710203542819293503.post-71524645938072309552008-12-30T20:55:00.000+08:002008-12-30T20:55:00.000+08:00I am a Muslim.But I don't want hudud laws, and I d...I am a Muslim.But I don't want hudud laws, and I don't want talibanism, and I don't want arabism. So all you talibans out there, please don't speak like you represent all Muslims. And I thank my non-Muslim friends and brothers to help us keep check on these talibans and arabs. I am proud of the songkoks, and our women's sarong kebaya. We don't want the arabs' black ninja turtle dresses for our women. And we don't want to tie turbans on our heads. We like to watch P.Ramlee movies. We don't want to watch arabic movies. <BR/>Anak Kampung.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-710203542819293503.post-73474829531312524332008-12-28T10:09:00.000+08:002008-12-28T10:09:00.000+08:00i'm a malaysian chinese,i don't worry if PAS want ...i'm a malaysian chinese,<BR/><BR/>i don't worry if PAS want to implement HUDUD Laws in Malaysia to Muslims.<BR/><BR/>i'm non muslim, and i'm just an ordinary man, i don't do crimes. no one will kacau me. <BR/><BR/>but BN must not win next GE, we need to balance up the power. no one should be allowed to misuse power anymore. <BR/><BR/>if BN lose next GE, people's voice will become stronger!<BR/><BR/>believe me, politicians are ALL dirty if they got too much power for too long.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-710203542819293503.post-68402238154401857892008-12-25T12:42:00.000+08:002008-12-25T12:42:00.000+08:00Maybe we should allow PAS in Kelantan to implement...Maybe we should allow PAS in Kelantan to implement hudud law. We can then see the folly and flaws of fellow human beings. Why worry? Dire Straits or Mark Knofler!Ti Lian Kerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17759197328215283269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-710203542819293503.post-17465535995274935302008-12-24T10:15:00.000+08:002008-12-24T10:15:00.000+08:00Snatch thieves' hands must be chopped off, so hudu...Snatch thieves' hands must be chopped off, so hudud law is applicableAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-710203542819293503.post-92088391509189210682008-12-24T09:58:00.000+08:002008-12-24T09:58:00.000+08:00I pity the folks of KT. They have to choose betwee...I pity the folks of KT. They have to choose between the corrupt UMNO and the taliban PAS! What a lousy choice! PKR would have been a better party to take the seat!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-710203542819293503.post-68509085211496691432008-12-24T09:55:00.000+08:002008-12-24T09:55:00.000+08:00The outcome of the KT byelection will not change t...The outcome of the KT byelection will not change the status quo of balance of power. So the rakyat of KT can choose to either:<BR/>a) send a clear message to UMNO that they are sick of UMNO,and are even willing to live with the talibans if necessary (which of course is unlikely to happen, since PAS does not have a majority), or<BR/>b)send a clear message to PAS that liberal/moderate Muslims and non-Muslims are sick and tired of PAS aim to change Malaysia to a taliban and arabized state where women get flogged and girls cannot go to school.<BR/>Whichever message KT folks want to give, BN is still in control of Terengganu and the federal government.<BR/>KassimAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-710203542819293503.post-8386227966238203392008-12-24T00:15:00.000+08:002008-12-24T00:15:00.000+08:00Here is the political mind...Husam's first salvo w...Here is the political mind...Husam's first salvo was to capture the mind and support of the PAS fundamentalist (in view of the KT by election consisting of largely anti Erdogans) who wanted Hudud laws to be implemented immediately as PAS Erdogan seems to have forgotten or abandon the Hudud. This was done privately or tacitly to appease their political partners DAp and keAdilan in the name and interest of the unholy PAKATAN political cooperation to achieve power by cheating and misleading the people that they are same bedfellas...Tidur sama tapi mimpi lain-lain...PAS wanted an Islamic State and Islamic Hudud Laws to be implemented ala PAS...DAP wanted a Malaysian Malaysia to achieve equal status and standing for all Malaysians(which both PAS and keAdilan supporters will never agree)...keAdilan are frustrated UMNo typed buggers who wanted UMNo's power for their personal agenda (hopefully i am wrong)...<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>The subsequent Husam's damage control is to avoid an open debate which will definitely exposed and unmasked the true ugly face of PAS (to the moderate, liberal Muslims and non-Muslims who are opposed to Hudud implementation) and have been voting for PAS under the make-up or undue influence of DAp and keAdilan. Husam's explanations may have placate the power seeking leaders of DAp and keAdilan but...are we gonna risk handing over the Federal powers to PAS and risk stoning or crippled limbs??? What if subsequently PAS succesfully launched a coup de tat over UMNo and keAdilan bruthers or some of them?? Can we trust DAp to stop these fellas?????Ti Lian Kerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17759197328215283269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-710203542819293503.post-82442814910997545802008-12-23T21:35:00.000+08:002008-12-23T21:35:00.000+08:00You, as The Star editor show know more about the H...You, as The Star editor show know more about the Hudud Law. It is for Muslim. Just like the Yoga's Fatwa, it is for Muslim, non of your business..<BR/><BR/>Please, don't put fuel into the fire..<BR/><BR/>Now I'm wondering how you get this post. Any insider??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-710203542819293503.post-12936409788361249662008-12-23T17:08:00.000+08:002008-12-23T17:08:00.000+08:00Dear Wong,I think your reader Rober Teh has viewed...Dear Wong,<BR/><BR/>I think your reader Rober Teh has viewed the whole issue very objectively.<BR/><BR/>The hudud laws are only applicable to muslims and it cannot be implemented in Malaysia without amending the Constitution which requires a two third majority vote in parliament.<BR/><BR/>Is this possible in the forseeable future. The answer is extremely unlikely.<BR/><BR/>Robert Teh also made an interesting point. The hudud laws may be more effective in addressing the escalating crimes in this country. (But this does not mean I agree to these laws.) <BR/><BR/>In conclusion, it is just MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16441187824833604123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-710203542819293503.post-18008840303045851572008-12-23T16:52:00.000+08:002008-12-23T16:52:00.000+08:00Even without the non-Muslim votes, PAS still canno...Even without the non-Muslim votes, PAS still cannot govern Malaysia. There are more liberal Muslims than extremists in Malaysia. And the Muslims here who have already tasted to progressive modern lifestyle, cannot go backwards to the taliban style of PAS. Look what happened in Terengganu. PAS was given a sound thumping, largely on the strength of the Malay (Muslim) votes alone. The non-Muslim votes count very little in Terengganu. The non-Muslim votes provide the swing only in the major towns. The majority of Malays want to remain Malays,and not to become Arabs or talibans, which is what PAS stand for.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-710203542819293503.post-43745167683259879852008-12-23T16:39:00.000+08:002008-12-23T16:39:00.000+08:00In the longer term, the most likely two-party syst...In the longer term, the most likely two-party system will be a pairing of PKR-DAP and UMNO-MCA in West Malaysia ( I can't speak about East Malaysia because I confess I don't know enough of their politics). PAS will just always be the joker that keep toggling between PKR-DAP and UMNO-MCA because these two parties cannot trust PAS loyalty. As for MIC, the Indians' numbers are so small that they are better off just merging with a bigger party.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-710203542819293503.post-61192508751368783302008-12-23T16:34:00.000+08:002008-12-23T16:34:00.000+08:00There are many hypocrites in Malaysia. Most so-cal...There are many hypocrites in Malaysia. Most so-called Muslims have never studied the Quran. Most so-called Christians have never read the Bible. And most so-called Buddhists, Taoists and Hindusdo not even know anything about their religion. Most are just born into their families professing to be their repective religions. And yet many scream, quarrel and fight over their religions. And they all try to impose their religions' laws on others, even when they themselves do not practice what their religions teach them. A lot of bullshit and politics going on here. <BR/>MalaysiaBolehAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-710203542819293503.post-25575085143152888132008-12-23T16:27:00.000+08:002008-12-23T16:27:00.000+08:00To Malayamuda: There are a lot of rape, incest, dr...To Malayamuda: There are a lot of rape, incest, drug abuse, etc in Kelantan. There are a lot of rape, incest, murders, robbery, etc in Pakistan. It seems that hudud laws did not solve the problem there, did it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-710203542819293503.post-73661818357798234562008-12-23T16:24:00.000+08:002008-12-23T16:24:00.000+08:00PAS will never get to govern Malaysia. These swoll...PAS will never get to govern Malaysia. These swollen headed extremists cannot even count. Whether they align themselves with PR or with BN, PAS is still a minor partner. They do not understand that the majority of Muslims and non-Muslims reject their brand of extremism. That is why PKR has grown a lot faster than PAS. And that UMNO also will always be stronger than PAS. The PAS extremists is a small group,although I do admit that for a small group they do make a disproportionate amount of noise. PAS cannot see that their proposed model of government has failed Iran, Afghanistan, and Pakistan. And even the Saudi would have failed if not for the large amount of oil wealth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-710203542819293503.post-29454352657394925082008-12-23T16:17:00.000+08:002008-12-23T16:17:00.000+08:00I am a non-Muslim. While I would be quite happy fo...I am a non-Muslim. While I would be quite happy for all gambling outlets to be closed down, or for the KTV or night clubs to be either restricted in their operating hours, or in the noise level, my worry is that Hudud style governments do not stop there. It is already proven in many countries that such type of governments will regress to curbing women's rights, non-Muslims' rights, curbing of democracy, practicing whipping liberally at the slightest whims and fancies of the "enforcers", etc. Just take a look at Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, Saudi, etc. That is what PAS wants. I have many Muslim friends,and they shudder at the thought of PAS ever coming to power. Thank GOD that in Malaysia we have a lot of moderate and liberal Muslims to check the talibans. And these Muslim friends of mine are also happy there are so many non-Muslims here to help add our votes to theirs to keep check on the talibans.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-710203542819293503.post-90353877241713481462008-12-23T16:07:00.000+08:002008-12-23T16:07:00.000+08:00What is with PAS? They once tried to implement hud...What is with PAS? They once tried to implement hudud laws in Terengganu and they were duly kicked out soon after. Didn't PAS learn their lesson. What makes them think that the majority of Muslims want hudud laws? PAS and their kind are ones who help the Malays stay backward. Doesn't PAS know that Muslims too want to progress and modernize and compete with the rest of the world, and not go the way of Afghanistan and Pakistan?<BR/>AwangAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-710203542819293503.post-20591109055951376732008-12-23T16:01:00.000+08:002008-12-23T16:01:00.000+08:00Many of the comments talked about how hudud laws w...Many of the comments talked about how hudud laws will encroach on the rights of non-Muslims. Missing is the point that many Muslims do not want hudud laws too. There are many modern Muslims in Malaysia who prefer the modern and progrssive way of life. They want equal rights for women. They prefer monogamy. They like to wear modern fashionable clothes. They would like to enjoy a swig of fine wine now and then. They would like to go to the KTV or night clubs and let the hair down. They would like to attend concerts. The issue of hudud laws is non just a Muslim vs non-Muslim issue. It is also a extremist Muslim vs liberal/ moderate Muslim issue. Take a walk along Bangsar Baru, or Jln P.Ramlee, and then tell me if the Muslims you see there will accept hudud laws. Look at the lifestyle of the UMNO leaders and tell me if you think they will accept hudud laws. They may ask the kampung folks to attend pondok schools, but ask if they would ever send their kids there or to a posh private school. See the Muslim teenage girls with their lipsticks, modern branded dresses, their modern hairdo, listening to the latest western songs, and ask if they would ever accept hudud laws.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-710203542819293503.post-66843967181646869392008-12-23T15:45:00.000+08:002008-12-23T15:45:00.000+08:00Let's put emotions aside and see it objectivel...Let's put emotions aside and see it objectively. This by-election is a choice between two quite undesirable groups: UMNO the corrupt, racist, arrogant group, and PAS the extremist pro-talibanism group. Whoever win the by-election will not change the status-quo of the government. Among the Malay/Muslim electorate, the votes will come in probably quite even with a small margin for the winner. The non-Malay/non-Muslim votes may tilt the balance. The non-Malay/non-Muslim can choose either to: (a) vote for UMNO to give the message to PAS that PAS should not get swollen headed and not keep pushing the hudud agenda, or (b)just treat the PAS hudud talk as just pre-election propaganda talks to fish for extremist votes, and vote for PAS to give UMNO the message that enough is enough, and it is time that UMNO cleans up itself and to stop raping the country. <BR/>There are enough liberal and moderate Muslims in Malaysia to keep PAS in check, and with the added support of the non-Muslims to these liberal & moderate Muslims, there is no way PAS can get enough parliment seats in Parliment to govern Malaysia. And even in Terengganu, look what happend to PAS when they tried to impose hudud laws to the Muslims in Terengganu when PAS once governed the state. PAS was duly kicked out in the following election.<BR/>KassimAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-710203542819293503.post-67602477672514059612008-12-23T10:12:00.000+08:002008-12-23T10:12:00.000+08:00Chun Wai,PAS, like any political party, has got it...Chun Wai,<BR/><BR/>PAS, like any political party, has got its right to having its own party ideology - be it political, social, or religious in form or nature (if we all believe and subscribe to democracy).<BR/><BR/>What's so wrong with that?<BR/><BR/>PAS has also acknowledged that the party cannot implement Hudud & Qisas Laws without the agreement of the other partners in the PR coalition.<BR/><BR/>PAS has also emphasized that Hudud & Qisas Laws are meant to be implemented to address largely, crimes in society which they believe will bring about a more just, fair and morally upright society.<BR/><BR/>PAS Hudud & Qisas Laws will not prevent you from studying your precious mother-tongue language, praying at your temples or churches, or eating and drinking your favourite food or beverage. Maybe it might be harder to place a bet or two at your favourite ENE outlet but I believe such outlets will not be completely closed, especially in non-Muslim majority areas.<BR/><BR/>Lastly, PAS also understand that it cannot enact Hudud & Qisas Laws without having the "ayes" from two thirds of MPs in the Dewan Rakyat.<BR/><BR/>That's why, I don't see what the fuss is all about?Robert Tehhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06567857568697105820noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-710203542819293503.post-57180551867586730562008-12-23T06:30:00.000+08:002008-12-23T06:30:00.000+08:00Since When did you become the American propaganda ...Since When did you become the American propaganda machine?Nordinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15625007396745428489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-710203542819293503.post-82951894079129149132008-12-23T02:14:00.000+08:002008-12-23T02:14:00.000+08:00Hudud - Is it possible?http://romerz.blogspot.com/...Hudud - Is it possible?<BR/><BR/>http://romerz.blogspot.com/2008/12/hudud-is-it-possible.htmlromerzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10717963731604546660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-710203542819293503.post-7175781592972220842008-12-23T02:06:00.000+08:002008-12-23T02:06:00.000+08:00I am not PAS sympathizer like those so called 'ali...I am not PAS sympathizer like those so called 'alim' people! is all ppl in PAS are god fearing ppl? what more de PAS God is a 'thug' can also 'swear' ma? crazy ppl de.. ooh so you say hudud is great , ur gonna chop ppl's head in public? hudud is outdated in modern times, be realistic PAS! go find ur own country!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-710203542819293503.post-73793796939134896172008-12-22T23:31:00.000+08:002008-12-22T23:31:00.000+08:00TAKING A LOOK AT MAN-MADE LAWSIf civil laws are me...TAKING A LOOK AT MAN-MADE LAWS<BR/><BR/>If civil laws are meant for civilised people at all<BR/>Then let the religious ones be applicable to those of that particular faith<BR/>Unless the laws chosen are of universal appeal and acceptance <BR/>It's best not to have very specific laws forced down on all <BR/><BR/>(C)Samuel Goh Kim Eng - 221208<BR/>http://MotivationInMotion.blogspot.com<BR/>Mon. 22nd Dec. 2008.Samuel Goh Kim Enghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04928953594234807753noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-710203542819293503.post-44226674327029023422008-12-22T22:26:00.000+08:002008-12-22T22:26:00.000+08:00WCW,You have wittingly or unwittingly become a too...WCW,<BR/><BR/>You have wittingly or unwittingly become a tool of UMNO, especially Khairy Jamaluddin, to demonise PAS as a start to UMNO's Kuala Trengganu by-election campaign. Everyone knows that Husam fell into the trap KJ set for him. Husam must now be regretting that the bodek mainstream media, including the Star, were waiting for him to utter those words on hudud which would sink PAS which they lost no time in highlighting in the mainstream papers. Whatever it is WCW, please be reminded that after how they have been harshly discriminated by UMNO, the Chinese will find PAS a lesser evil, Islamic state and all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-710203542819293503.post-73978114461653730552008-12-22T21:52:00.000+08:002008-12-22T21:52:00.000+08:00"PAS is always consistent." Same goes with Google ..."PAS is always consistent." Same goes with Google search for the word <I>nurin hudud</I> which is always consistent in showing demands to have hudud law in Malaysia to prevent future cases of 'cucumber and brinjals'.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com