tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-710203542819293503.post4264068777323141013..comments2023-10-20T15:43:25.978+08:00Comments on New Malaysia: And the winner is.....Malaysia!The Writerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15059125424007265156noreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-710203542819293503.post-29321548751490597532008-07-17T09:52:00.000+08:002008-07-17T09:52:00.000+08:00There was overall a lack of intellectual discussio...There was overall a lack of intellectual discussion throughout the session or is that something to be expected amongst Malaysian politicians?<BR/>Nevertheless hitting below the belt is a big no-no and this was overused by the BN guy(was he foaming at the mouth?).<BR/>There seemed to be a lack of preparation and insufficient concrete arguments discussed upon.Not to mention the pauses and 'ehhs' which was quite unexpected for people of this stature.<BR/>Although this can be said to be a good start ,I am also pondering on the BN's agenda in allowing this to take place.Malaysians might be ready for such debates but is the BN ready for it?<BR/>BTW have you ever heard of the word 'objective'?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-710203542819293503.post-62164278290462542692008-07-17T06:45:00.000+08:002008-07-17T06:45:00.000+08:00Mr Chun Wai,A debate is about exchange of facts, i...Mr Chun Wai,<BR/><BR/>A debate is about exchange of facts, it has nothing to do with personal attacks. The minister was reminding us about CRAP on Anwar, his students days, IMF and didnt have facts tabled.<BR/><BR/>My fren and i felt DSAI was focused, addressed the issue, where else the Minister was hitting him below the belt. Everyone could see that clearly DSAI won.<BR/><BR/>I asked some people in the lift, strangers and 3 of them - 2 Malays and 1 Indian had this to say.... apa dia cerita ie Minister, orang tanya dia tentang minyak, dia sebuk cerita tentang Anwar punya hal lama, kenapa dia meliur, takut kut.<BR/><BR/>Now these are yr average Joes in the street, no blogging types, hardly use computers.<BR/><BR/>My secretary said, boss you know that guy ie Sabbery - MEREPEK, Cakap Tak Tentu Arah.... Tak Malu Ke.<BR/><BR/>Well, i guess your comments was expected, why did'nt you write about the photographers being beaten by the Ministers bodyguard??????????sinnersaint:saintsinnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13477016230047351854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-710203542819293503.post-77082786454037324212008-07-17T01:44:00.000+08:002008-07-17T01:44:00.000+08:00Consider also, other perspectives on this debate:h...Consider also, other perspectives on this debate:<BR/><BR/>http://the-malaysian.blogspot.com/2008/07/anwar-shabery-debate.html<BR/><BR/>http://kindasophical.blogspot.com/2008/07/how-to-lose-in-debate.html<BR/><BR/>http://audie61.wordpress.com/2008/07/15/1974-time-zone-debate-anwar-vs-shabery-malaysiakini/<BR/><BR/>http://stocktube.blogspot.com/2008/07/oil-prices-debate-shabery-slaughtered.html<BR/><BR/>http://maddruid.com/?p=1728Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-710203542819293503.post-67595938338611301022008-07-16T22:45:00.001+08:002008-07-16T22:45:00.001+08:00I just finished work and stumbled upon your blog u...I just finished work and stumbled upon your blog unintentionally .......How true your words are ... the RAKYAT was clearly the winner in the debate. What is more important now is to allow the rakyat to continue being the winner by having a free, unshackled and responsible media. It took 51 years for Malaysia to allow this debate -- that too, partly coerced events brought about by the recent political avalanche. How long would it take YOU to achieve that awakening for the paper you work for? By the way, as a Xaverian you certainly have fallen astray. I guess every flock must have its black member.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-710203542819293503.post-87174246761552880132008-07-16T22:45:00.000+08:002008-07-16T22:45:00.000+08:00Petrol...petrol...petrol...now everyone is thinkin...Petrol...petrol...petrol...<BR/><BR/>now everyone is thinking about petrol had increased, worry about spending $$$. Do anyone know that if everyone stop or slow down thier spending power, this will directly affect the economy of the country as well as the financial position. Our country need $$$ to manipulate and generate. <BR/><BR/>talking abt DSAI or Shabery is the winner is not that important...the crucial point is the ideas from other side should be taken note by the BN and the Rakyat could hear and choose wat the best...maybe for future election...<BR/><BR/>If Malaysia has better transpotation system like other country like aussie, singapore and more...petrol will not be a main concern...because they hav alternatives...but the problem is malaysia's public transportation system really suckz...If anyone not agree wit me in this point can give ur point...<BR/><BR/>PUBLIC TRANSPOTATIONAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-710203542819293503.post-56652900536741838802008-07-16T17:38:00.000+08:002008-07-16T17:38:00.000+08:00I think Shabery is the best politican that UMNO cu...I think Shabery is the best politican that UMNO currently has. He did brilliantly against one of the best orators in Malaysia if not in the world. In term of age, experience and maturity Shabery is completely a minnow compared to Anwarr. But Anwar with vast experience and given a topic which he clearly has the edge, was continously jolted and rattled with Shaberry's sharp responses.<BR/><BR/>I think Shabery is PM material.BlueMoonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09254493416721777542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-710203542819293503.post-45384991400438155592008-07-16T17:02:00.000+08:002008-07-16T17:02:00.000+08:00Black (hole?), I dun see your logic that those who...Black (hole?), <BR/><BR/>I dun see your logic that those who did not agree with Chun Wai is stooges of Anwar. Are you from UMNO or BTN? <BR/><BR/>If Datuk writes otherwise, how does his writers quote him on the daily newspaper? But he still does and allows people to comment. Not like Khir TOyo or some Muhammad who supposedly modern by having blogs, yet only show comments that are praising their intellect or ego. I hope you are nobody's stooges..amokerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11796429650849780970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-710203542819293503.post-1767784531465381872008-07-16T15:26:00.000+08:002008-07-16T15:26:00.000+08:00Hi Chun Wai,Was that really Anwar Ibrahim last nit...Hi Chun Wai,<BR/><BR/>Was that really Anwar Ibrahim last nite? Can't believe my eyes. Gone was the fiery speech at his numerous rallies. The Petronas lambasting, the tirade against the government. Really goody two- shoes. False magnanimity. Oh i forgot. It was on TV for the Malaysian audience and for the crowd at DBP. That's an example of a populist politician in action. Different speeches for different folks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-710203542819293503.post-22357506523035439282008-07-16T14:32:00.000+08:002008-07-16T14:32:00.000+08:00Wong,If you analyse the winner based on the topic ...Wong,<BR/><BR/>If you analyse the winner based on the topic discussed, the clear winner is AI. But if you analyse based on putar-belit and past individual records, then it goes to that BN chap. But what was supposed to be debated on last night? So, the winner is AI. Loud & clear.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-710203542819293503.post-11488372807655155262008-07-16T13:58:00.000+08:002008-07-16T13:58:00.000+08:00..And the loser is the people who have to continue.....And the loser is the people who have to continue suffer with the high cost of living. people with empty stomach are not good for malaysia..!!!siamangagaphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16475451630267384738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-710203542819293503.post-30147403367744622022008-07-16T13:41:00.000+08:002008-07-16T13:41:00.000+08:00dear saudara WCW,seems many against your thoughts ...dear saudara WCW,<BR/><BR/>seems many against your thoughts today, but it's fine, just continue writing what you feel and don't be pressured to play to populist thoughts.<BR/><BR/>when the gov approved salary increase for civil servants (people say populist, pull votes etc), but then reduce subsidies???? everything done by others oso bad.....this is how some people think. some i'm curious about what is good then....<BR/><BR/>so biasalah, they reacted to your article that way. stay strong!<BR/><BR/>probs many who reacted that way are DSAI's stooges, they just don't realize anymore. Ikut je!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-710203542819293503.post-19132259230451258662008-07-16T13:37:00.000+08:002008-07-16T13:37:00.000+08:00The winner is definitely not the Rakyat. Until the...The winner is definitely not the Rakyat. Until the Gomen reduce the petrol by 50sen a liter we are still the loser. The debate is actually an avenue to voice our displeasure thru DSAI only. <BR/><BR/>People like U the voice of the Govt will have a twisted idea that we are the winner. And you are deaf to answers. Which part of the question did DSAI not answer?<BR/><BR/>Just can imagine that a person of your stature can't even raise the real issues affecting the rakyat on the newspaper that you lead. You are no different from that VC who literally got a slap and a wakeup call from DSAI on use of Gas by IPP. YOu are sleeping. You are very biased. You are suffering from selective listening syndrome. People like you don't deserve respect from the rakyat.<BR/><BR/>PathfinderAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-710203542819293503.post-9051508916787824002008-07-16T13:32:00.000+08:002008-07-16T13:32:00.000+08:00farnyeach has his own opinion i guess.was watching...farny<BR/><BR/>each has his own opinion i guess.<BR/><BR/>was watching the debate live in a pub in kelana jaya.<BR/><BR/>most fellas there were quite impressed with the unknown shabery.<BR/><BR/>of course, DSAI did well, he is one of the best orators in this country, so no surprises.<BR/><BR/>just that shabery fella with a little bubble around the mouth better than many expected.<BR/><BR/>on whether who presented better facts, i'm not sure. nothing we have not heard before. DSAI playing populist by using the word nelayan etc more than 20times i think, where shabery was quoting alot of history without solutions.<BR/><BR/>Both did not give any 'groundbreaking' solutions. But think it was worthwhile for two reasons:<BR/>1) a good start to better media freedom<BR/>2) at least the rakyat can hear from both and decide on their own.<BR/><BR/>well done agenda daily, DSAI,ShaberyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-710203542819293503.post-39959551961680666562008-07-16T13:25:00.000+08:002008-07-16T13:25:00.000+08:00well i personally thought that the debate was on p...well i personally thought that the debate was on par.<BR/><BR/>Well done agenda daily.<BR/><BR/>But looking at most replies above, it doesn't matter what is right or wrong anymore, whatever DSAI says or does is correct to a group of people. Saying that others are not being objective or under their bosses etc, i think we all need to seriously re-evaluate ourselves.<BR/><BR/>Do we seriously think that both performed well? Anything that they've said that we don't know?<BR/><BR/>Besides it hurting our pockets, do we seriously believe that there's another way out of the subsidies?<BR/><BR/>I am no economist either, but came across this posting that made me understand the whole scenario in the simplest form <BR/><BR/>Posted by Sham on http://simplemsian.blogspot.com/2008_07_01_archive.html<BR/><BR/>Hey there, interesting article.<BR/><BR/>But really how long more can our govt subsidize our fuel?<BR/><BR/>I don't think that there's only one true solution to this. At the end of the day, it is what we want.<BR/><BR/>If we compare with countries like singapore & hk, how much is their property rental/prices? Have you seen the number of big fancy cars parked at pekeliling flats look a like shoebox apartments? The parking charges? So basically, most people don't drive and they live in shoes boxes. They dress fancy in branded clothes etc, because they can't afford to buy a decent double storey terrace house or afford an everyday car. When we refer to these countries, look beyond fuel prices. Everyone has different standards of living. On contrary, when my friends from Sing/HK dropby, they always comment that we msians live like kings, all big houses and drive everywhere. They don't even entertain guest at their homes in HK, no space! So really depends on what we want.<BR/><BR/>If we want to compare with thailand, the car and road policy have also contributed one of the world's most congested traffic. A traffic jam means the car does not move at all for more than an hour. Where parents send their kids to school at 3am to avoid the jam. Yah, affordable cars that can't be driven on the road! Think again. The standard of living there? There are alot of other factors we need to look into, when we talk about the nations' livelihood.<BR/><BR/>Now lets go to our richer Middle Eastern counterparts. Count the number of barrels of oil produced and divide by the number of the country's nationals. hence they can afford many other things, they are born with many many barrels per head.<BR/><BR/>And the 'not so rich' oil producing countries listed above; is that a place we all want to live in, in-exchange for cheaper fuel (venezuela,iran,nigeria?)<BR/><BR/>In retrospect, this price increase have taught us and people around the world not to take things for granted. Money from oil needs to be invested in various infrastructures so that we can address the economic problems not for the next few years but for many many years to come.<BR/><BR/>Lastly, when prices go up, demands go down. If we can't be discipline about managing fuel and a greener place, this is probably god's way of teaching us.<BR/><BR/>But i agree that more can be done for malaysians in the lower income bracket. <BR/><BR/>Think again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-710203542819293503.post-7347277594187641892008-07-16T13:21:00.000+08:002008-07-16T13:21:00.000+08:00Come on Chun WaiPls don't insult the standard of U...Come on Chun Wai<BR/><BR/>Pls don't insult the standard of UKM (u graudated from there, right?)and that includes Stanford University and University of Southern California where u have attended some courses with them.<BR/><BR/>The evasive guy is clearly Shabery. Not only he is evasive, he has no facts and figures to support him. All he did was to take a defensive approach and take very opportunity to wage a personal attack against anwar. His talk has no substance at all and out of topic. People asked about north, he replied about south. <BR/><BR/>I think u need to seriously review our stand on the matter. <BR/><BR/>By the way, what's wrong with you today?alvin leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12428107898086392310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-710203542819293503.post-73392080493735996532008-07-16T12:22:00.000+08:002008-07-16T12:22:00.000+08:00As expected, the debate was lively and to some ext...As expected, the debate was lively and to some extent, a civilised discourse despite some potshots at Anwar's credibility. Even my toddler could predict Anwar will win after watching the first half hour! <BR/><BR/>The quality of economic discussion could be improved as facts and figures were presented without further analysis. Venezuela is facing major economic problems of hyperinflation because of its currency peg, price controls and years of unbridled monetary expansion thanks to high oil revenues and fiscal spending. <BR/><BR/>I suggest the next debate be a doubles duel: Tony Phua/Khalid Ibrahim versus Tan Sri Mohd Noor/KJ on "Malaysia's Inflation Time Bomb and Managed Currency Policy".)Jonas Leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10786108344875757153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-710203542819293503.post-76760650288485289972008-07-16T11:50:00.000+08:002008-07-16T11:50:00.000+08:00Chun Wai,It is understandable you try very hard to...Chun Wai,<BR/><BR/>It is understandable you try very hard to praise your "boss" Shabbery Chik, but in doing so, you make the hairs on our hands stand on end! Many people would agree that you did not give Anwar his due, but what can we expect from someone like you, a Datuk-datuk. You even went so far as run Anwar down so as to please top UMNO leaders like Badawi and Najib; they should be the ones debating debating with Anwar on such an important issue, not a small fry like Shabbery. You don't have the guts to call them chicken. And you did tell us why RTM and TV3 did not carry the debate "live". Are Badawi and Najib nervous that the whole of Malaysia should hear Anwar's views? Afraid I have to disagree with you that the "winner of the debate is ...Malaysia". Let's be more specific....Anwar and the people of Malaysia are the winners. The losers are Badawi, Najib, UMNO and the federal govt. Shabbery Chik is just a small fry and sacrificial lamb of Badawi and Najib who are afraid to take on Anwar. Anyway Shabbery Chik can easily be discarded as he was once from Semangat 46, someone still not fully accepted in UMNO.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-710203542819293503.post-47572775185999340092008-07-16T11:49:00.000+08:002008-07-16T11:49:00.000+08:00I dont mind who win that debate. All I wish is, th...I dont mind who win that debate. All I wish is, that I could live as I was before the petrol price goes up. Now, earning RM3k is nothing, almost no savings. Still paying PTPTN, some more.<BR/><BR/>Please put down petrol price. Dont go too far in guarding resources for next generation. There wont be next generation without our generation. THINK!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-710203542819293503.post-28578899941324416512008-07-16T11:16:00.000+08:002008-07-16T11:16:00.000+08:00Petronas: The RM202billion question<A HREF="http://ctchoolaw.blogspot.com/2008/07/petronas-rm202-billion-question.html" REL="nofollow">Petronas: The RM202billion question</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-710203542819293503.post-37770598052310403982008-07-16T10:58:00.000+08:002008-07-16T10:58:00.000+08:00Please lah Wong Chun Wai, cannot even come out wit...Please lah Wong Chun Wai, cannot even come out with a winner, using sly digs that DSAI lost and Shaburi won???<BR/><BR/>Every body who watched the debate last night knows who won and who lost.<BR/><BR/>That Shaburi was a junior minister doesnt come into equation at all.<BR/><BR/>He lost. Period!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-710203542819293503.post-50654147078438636752008-07-16T10:54:00.000+08:002008-07-16T10:54:00.000+08:00I diaagree with you with regard to the debate yest...I diaagree with you with regard to the debate yesterday.Infact,Anwar was a better orator and his facts were logistic whereas the other chap was attacking Anwar personally which is out of the point.Anyway,he is a good speaker but have to learn his manners.I hope more of this debate would be telecast live and let the public evaluate what which party scores more point.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-710203542819293503.post-71033589601272165002008-07-16T10:48:00.000+08:002008-07-16T10:48:00.000+08:00Dato you struggle to say nice thing about Sabbery ...Dato you struggle to say nice thing about Sabbery and the reason is because you write much better when you write with utter honesty. I always read what you write but lately you too became the bird in UMNO cage. Though I do not want to take sides even a child will know Anwar was the winner of this debate. He had more facts and much more well read. No wonder our economy is in such a mess. Please ask the minister to be fully prepared before he faces the country. Shameful, I suggest he takes up the job as a primary school history teacher.Naveen Sritharanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13517271395516244101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-710203542819293503.post-28010549451657062302008-07-16T10:44:00.000+08:002008-07-16T10:44:00.000+08:00selamat pagi datuk,sure, the rakyat are the clear ...selamat pagi datuk,<BR/><BR/>sure, the rakyat are the clear winner and blablabla but neither you nor rocky pointed out that sabery fella was the clear LOSER. when anwar presented his points with facts and figure, your beloved minister kept going astray from the main issue. either that or he did not understand the questions. and when the whole nation was anticipating a debate on fuel price woes, sabery was more interested at hitting anwar below the belt. <BR/><BR/>apa cerita la dei?<BR/><BR/>sabery berdebat dalam dewan serbaguna kampung boleh la..Kerp (Ph.D)https://www.blogger.com/profile/08187993712816646804noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-710203542819293503.post-8730036940485057312008-07-16T10:25:00.000+08:002008-07-16T10:25:00.000+08:00One would have thought that on your own blog you w...One would have thought that on your own blog you would be able to separate your personal views from your 'official' views. What is the point of reading your blog when I might as well read the Star ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-710203542819293503.post-3904108560473511292008-07-16T09:11:00.000+08:002008-07-16T09:11:00.000+08:00We can’t say the winner isIn debate of this nature...We can’t say the winner is<BR/>In debate of this nature<BR/>Malaysians, as you write, are the winners<BR/>It should be held more often<BR/>To test the ability and knowledge of our leaders<BR/><BR/>Nobody should view it adversely<BR/>The BN government shouldn’t say<BR/>‘Now we allow freedom of expression’<BR/>It is our rights after all<BR/>In the democratic rules and Constitution<BR/><BR/>Anwar and Shabery Chik<BR/>They blast the trail<BR/>We hope the BN leaders<BR/>Will take it up in debate<BR/>For the benefit of Malaysians<BR/><BR/>Although pot shots were aimed at Anwar<BR/>It wouldn’t spoil the spirit of the debate<BR/>It shows Anwar has the oratorical skills<BR/>Shabery Chik has enough punched to take it on<BR/>Though at times he side stepped issues…….<BR/><BR/>One thing every one knows<BR/>UMNO rules the government<BR/>Shabery Chik said it in live TV<BR/>‘Kerajaan UMNO dan Barisan Nasional’<BR/><BR/>Now where are MCA, MIC, Gerakan and PPP?<BR/>The rest of minnows in the coalition partnership<BR/>UMNO runs the ship………………….<BR/>Shabery Chik took a nail hit on the coalition partners<BR/>So the coalition leaders have nothing to saylanaibeachhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16489775427723636508noreply@blogger.com